He felt it’s better to have an easily repairable rifle than to have a super-tight velocity spread. When I went down to power setting 9 7.5 the POI started to drop at about shot 36-40 and then slowly drops all the way to shot 65. So I never know what number I am setting the gun to. Benjamin Marauder Synthetic Stock Gen 2 lets you fire up to 10 shots . Designed for the Benjamin Marauder .177 and .22 air rifle, this pressure regulator allows the factory gauge to be installed directly, which increases the total air volume and therefore inproves shot count. (Probably not). Most of them work best down around 2,000 psi and some work best […] It’s easy to pump to 2650 psi; much easier than to pump to 3,000 psi. Any regulator would have to be external to the tank, which would add to the rifle’s length of pull. BB,Its starting to make sense, i.e. Your experience with the FWB is why I said I liked regs on 10-meter guns. Again, for me personally I find no problem dealing with a little loss of POI or valve lock… get to know your rifle and take more shots per fill. B.B. A regulated Talon offers the promise that AirForce never specifically made, but many thought they were getting just by adjusting the power wheel; a fully power adjustable air gun. At least, it is for me. My Discovery has Anthony’s barrel weight, but I can still hear the change in sound when she is entering and leaving her sweet spot which is also reflected in the size of the groups. Learn all about the Marauder and shop awesome combos in this Definitive Guide. PS My 24″ barrel Talon SS .22 powered by C02 gets 650 or so shots at 735 fps before the power drops off at Power wheel setting of .5; AirForce advised to set it at 0, but I wanted to have it on something! How did the MAC1 mods turn out? As far as accuracy is concerned, I wouldn't expect a LW Marauder to … An air valve has a range of pressure–from low to high. When going for accuracy, airgunners are exactly like firearm reloaders. In that case, it was definitely worth the effort to install the reg. I’m not talking about decades of time, either. Insert the allen wrench through the screw hole and into the screw head. They should spin in with finger force only. $92. He does the trigger, crowns the barrel, puts a better seal on, and re-works the barrel bolt probe, and a power adjuster of sorts on the back… all for about $70 retail I think.. However, by installing a pressure regulator with its firing chamber inside the reservoir of my Harrier, I’d be subtracting volume from the reservoir. Thanks much. I was also impressed by twotalon’s technique. The USFTFor that reason, Larry Durham decided not to regulate the design of what became the USFT rifle. Results with installed regulator in air gun Benjamin Marauder. It then moves to a volumeizer, then a flow regulator before launching the paintball at 290fps with a 3fps spread. I’ve also seen valves that varied more throughout their range. It sounds like your end cap hole needs to be retapped; I would advise avoiding further use of strength and big tools – probably best left to AirForce. JDS Airman), but they haven’t worked out the ergonomics (maybe 3.5″ longer than stock). ), I caught myself wondering how somebody would hunt squirrels using a multi-pump like my Benjamin 392? Regs are not known for lasting a long time.”. Tuned using JSB MKIIs 33.95gr: ... Only this regulated air gets released during the shot. Well, I didn’t pack them well enough, and the customers got scratched. They change the way the firing valve performs, but not through regulating the starting air pressure. What has to be done is a partial disassembly of the firing mechanism, and the firing valve stem is struck with a hammer to exhaust some of the air. + Time tested, durable, ... *Excellent Power Upgrade for your .22 caliber f actory regulated Marauder Field and Target Rifle. Plenty of guys hunt squirrel with a Benjamin pump in the east. I shot it regularly and so far it has no problem. I’m impressed with the accuracy of mine, which seems limited more by my eyes and the Williams Peep sight than the gun itself. I can adjust my aiming, or the power adjuster as I loose POI. Board index ‹ Benjamin Marauder PCP air guns by Crosman ... 22 Synrod Unregulated. One of the huge concerns I had was the variance in velocity I would read about. If you have a real old fashon hardware store, you should be able to buy the screws you need there which is what I did for my SS. I’ll get right on it. Accuracy was more consistent. and Twotalon: I tried exactly what both said, but I think I identified the problem… The threads are pretty damaged… The screw can enter only until midway, then it gets really hard… If I do what Twotalon said, it also gets stuck in the middle… I even tried putting in the other screws from the side and the others in the bottom even though they are different lengths, they got stuck midway… It has to be the hole…. help again! Do you like the power adjustment option on some pcp’s or is this just one more thing to maintain that isn’t worth it? After the mistake I took the gun into my basement to shoot and the groups seem to be OK. That should have done no damage to your 392. And offers you auto indexing, which keeps you accurate with successive shots. The question I have to answer is if I think it’s worth a couple extra shots and a slightly tighter velocity variation to go to the trouble of installing a regulator. Both come in two calibers: .177 or .22. Mr. B. requested this one–comparing regulated precharged pneumatics to unregulated PCPs. Jony, It’s great to hear the optomism in your key stokes again. The Benjamin Marauder is a great low cost, high value pre charged pneumatic (pcp) air rifle. That is with 21.1 grain Beeman Kodiaks at the power setting of 11 7.5. Once again, you can choose between the Crosman or Walther Lothar barrels. Using an all-new regulated system, the Field and Target delivers 80+ shots in both .177 caliber and .22 cal—more than double the shot strings of the original Marauder. So, the gun gives a string of shots at a more or less constant velocity until it drops below the lowest pressure at which the valve functions well. A burst disk is a small bold with a hole in it. Our Hunter and US FT air rifles are meant to be used in Extreme Benchrest. Here are my personal feelings. If you did, I know what the problem is. The most important thing you said was “…know your rifle.” If more shooter would take the time to do that, we would have less to talk about here. The Talon SS with Van’s bloop tube makes no noise except for the hammer ping, so I’m still in a learning curve there. Weight of the pellet/bullet must play a role in accuracy even though you may have an above average spread of fps. I have been getting around 80 shoots. A regulated gunWhat about a regulated gun? It for a higher shot count. ?About the scope, nope, I didn’t because the shooting patterns were very erratic… Up, down, left, right… Even with the bipod!! I like to keep the power adjuster at about half on the .177 S410. The hole is covered with foil. For ALL Benjamin Marauder Rifles gen 1 or gen 2, ... + Best aftermarket valve assembly available, for regulated or unregulated applications. Billy Lo with a USFT also won the 2005 nationals, and his prize was a 12 foot pound USFT specially tuned for the world championship. Granted, an awsome selection of barrel lengths and calibers along with three-four choices of power source (C02, regular tank, Condor tank, Micro-meter tank)give a lot of power options, but they are specific points per choice with minimal impact by the wheel if you want consistent shots. throughout the range. I didn’t figure it out until I bought a PCP. However, that does not seem to be the case or is 30fps variation not enough to matter? How does one unlock this valve or lower the pressure? I did find about a half dozen people that owned both my FX and your S410 – and the conclusion was if you want features get the S410, if you want quiet get the FX. Benjamin Marauder’s accuracy is not dependent on how well you fine-tune it. I have my power wheel set at 6 on my 18″ barrel Talon SS .22 and shoot JSB Exacts (15.8g) at about 900fps for 60 shots before the POI drops (and it pretty much goes away then). So far, the projected cost of a modified Challenger stock is about $100, inletting maybe $75 and the Custom Shop regulated Marauder with a Lothar Walther barrel is $700 - very cost effective in my eyes. Tell them your name and that you are calling because of wild inaccuracy from a 24-inch barrel on a Talon SS. That is the speed that gives the best groups with the JSB 10.2 Exact heavy. in a 10-shot string, yet the accuracy isn’t affected at 50 yards. The rifle supplied by the manufacturer for maximum power should give a better result. So I called Tim and had him send a new one from his stock to the customer, and bill me. Do you have to blow off the thing after a half hour? Has this gun possibly been tuned to get this many shots before I have to recharge it? I got a Mrod and a Prod with not box or information other than the owners manuals. a crosman marauder, for that matter, can be set up by the user for a very acceptable velocity spread. What fps are you getting? Does it affect accuracy? I don’t know how many shots it gets with HPA as it blows through my backstops and bends my Field Target paddles, so I quit doing that! 80 shots? A Marauder is an extremely silent rifle which is why you seldom hear it. In other words is a power adjuster on a pcp prone to necessary constant maintenance like a regulator in a pcp? It is quickly becoming one of my favorite guns to shoot. For the Benjamin Marauder .25 Caliber Huma Air has designed a pressure regulator that requires removal of the pressure gauge and gauge assembly completely and replaces it with the regulator body, so you have even more air volume available in the pressure tube! Still made me think maybe a regulator would be better – nice to see they are not really a necessity. That could be offset by increasing the pressure in the reservoir, but there’s a point beyond which the regulator will not operate. A trick with with screws and bolts is the feel to them when they are starting right or wrong. On the other hand, my Career 707 went from 30 usable shots to over 60 at the same power with a regulator. Where they go doesn’t matter, as long as you can see them all. Divers recommend Luxfer brand, apparently for diving but I do not really know as far as pcps are concerned. Stock Marauder 25 cal. The air flows into a secondary adjustable regulator that reduces air pressure to 290psi. 0. They were installed in a copper cup that was placed into a machined seat on the side of the valve body. Drop in replacement barrels. On AirForce guns, for example, I don’t even have a scale on my power wheel! But, the fact is that they still do work acceptably well at higher pressure. Internal composition of Benjamin Marauder. The goal is for zero variation from shot to shot. At the same time looking for a good used scuba tank. B. requested this one--comparing regulated precharged pneumatics to unregulated PCPs.What is a regulator?First, what is a regulator and how does it work? I suspect also that the BC of the pellet would be about as important as the weight in minimizing POI shifts with velocity changes. throughout their entire string of usable shots. Regs are not known for lasting a long time. For the Benjamin Marauder we have a tuning regulator with a combined pressure gauge connection that can be pushed into the pressure tube. Highlight specifications for the new regulated Marauder are 85+ consistent, regulated shots at 950 FPS in .177 caliber. Marauder rifle 20" long Lothar Walther choked barrels in 177 and 22 cal. B.B. Some things to considerSome guns aren’t suited for regulators. Benjamin Marauder Air Rifle Features. I have repeatedly punched tight groups 50 and 60 yards, soon after unpacking a new Marauder .25. You said “I’m not talking about decades of time, either. That one is in our inventory now. Most primary regulators outlast the 15 year shelf life of the reservoirs to which they are attached. 20" long. With a 2000 pound fill, it gets 80 shots without measurable loss of POI (point of impact) at 20 yards indoors, more than enough for a contest…. This regulator is vented to the atmosphere without any modification to your pressure tube. Your idea for a blog on tips to selecting a high-pressure air tank sounds great. Instead of 20 different adjustments, I look for the two or three that make a difference. I have a FWB PCP 10-M air rifle for over 15 years now, and I brought it used. In that range, I get 24 shots of 10.6-grain Beeman Kodiaks going about 920 f.p.s. The .22 caliber version will give 80+ consistent, regulated shots at 850 FPS. The aftermarket reg on my Career failed in five years. I like power adjustment on some guns, but not on others. When you feel the thread click into position, carefully tighten the screw in the other direction. $235 uses stock shroud parts. testing shot strings to find the sweet spot on an unregulated gun. Number of shots was no change or maybe less. A primary regulator is a non-adjustable reg that is attached directly to the air reservoir. I decided that it wasn’t, because my Harrier operates at a nice low max pressure. My gun is not regulated and I get about 10 shots per 200 drop in psi so it's 20 psi per shot + or -, 99% of the time it's the shooter, not the gun, If regulated sounds like both are low power. They are often removed and attached to new reservoirs because it is cheaper than purchasing a completely new unit. I have a question, as well. Wife is getting around 64 shots out of the Prod from 3000 to 2000 psi. throughout its range, yet still shoots half-inch 5-shot groups at 50 yards. www.airgunregulators.comWhat are the advantages of installing a third-party regulator? What setting do you have the power adjusted to in order to shoot 130 shots and only lose 237 fps (50 bar)? for the first two or three shots. Since your my bro and cover my back for me…If you want to try one, I'll rent you either the S410 .22 cal walnut stock, or the beech stock S310 .22 cal.. for a week or two.. you still have my email, don't you? The exact number depends on the gun, the pellet and the distance at which you are shooting. I haven’t done a ton of testing yet, but your medium power setting sound pretty close to what I get. It really likes the Crosmen 14.3 domed pellets but did not group well at all with Crosmen 14.3 HP. especially if the primary and secondary regs are one in the same. I think part of the lesson in Jony’s experience is way too much stuff all at once. I get dealer pricing, so buy and sell some stuff too.. A guy bought a disco from me and wanted it tuned by Tim at MAC 1. I saw it went fast. :Thank you once again for helping me… Today I feel more relax and ready to work on things… Its good to know that the damaged hole can be fixed… I will call AirForce now and see what happens… About the bloop tube… nope, I don’t use one… Yesterday I only used the .22caliber 24″barrel, nothing else… Take care sir! right now. The erector tube is floating around inside the scope. While we’re on the subject of air (crafty, eh? Guess I had better add a chrony to the wishlist before buying a PCP. When you switched to the 24-inch barrel did you have to elevate your scope all the way? It was less accurate with it, I didn’t used it much… Thank you sir!!Cheers,Jony. I think that is because of the weight of the bullet. Continue shooting after the 24 good shots (pressure falling below 2000 psi), and the velocity drops again into the 800s. 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